 Base Mix ingredients
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In reply to Post #20
Soya
It's wortha listen
I've only ever used FF soya flour
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In reply to Post #19
which one?
The WPC or soya isolate? First time I've used sports nutrition whey.
I vaguely remember an article from 2010-ish where someone said that there is no place for soya Isolate in modern carp baits.
The trypsin inhibitor makes the soya protein unavailable but then you have the same problem with eggs- wheat gluten- semolina?
I make a fishmeal base with a percentage of Rod's original HNV milk mix.
However it's 2% isolate not the 20%+ of the late 1980s.
Functional, rolls well, gels, holds moisture.
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In reply to Post #18
Have you used that before?
Dave Moore mentioned against it in a recent Trakker podcast
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In reply to Post #17
yep, just the once, unflavoured WPC 'instantized' less gelling imo.
As pricesd varied so much I was going to buy a kilo of h-gel from AA but 25g of Soya isolate does a similar job at 1/3 of the price.
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In reply to Post #15
Are you just ordering unflavoured WPC from Sports Nutrion websites?
£28 for 2.5kg delivered is a great price.
I've always wondered in the Huel style meal supplements would be suitable ingredients. Always wanted unflavoured though which is an issue.
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If buying small amounts it's always been a bit of a problem for certain ingredients, home rollers can adjust their bait for their needs.
I'm rolling my own this year after a very long layoff (pre-made base mix)
Ready rolled bait / base mix, how would we know the levels within? It will come down to trust, observations & results.
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In reply to Post #14
Bacarel don't have sports protein type discounts, by the kg 1, 2, 3+, 5+ or full sacks, prices up and down dependant on supply, Frecnh, Irish or functional properties.
I haven't seen the same level of discounting for a while, obviously prices are artificailly high and rising ,the discounts are bait.
Dropped on a late night 50% flaah sale, a valid 10% voucher purely by chance, free post £28 for 2.5kg of unflavoured WPC..
Its about £90 less whatever weekly discount at Myprotein now.
Bacarel's various whey proteins have been in and out of stock, but it seemed that if they were out of stock so were AA or very near to.
Early in the year their 1kg x 3+ prices were better considering they included shipping.
I bought caesins, caesinates, albumen and soya isolate, 12 months+ shelf life, double bagged👍
Enough for this year and scrimping through next year.
The way things are going it'll be pellets and pop-ups the year after.
Last time I compared the two standard WPC80 was around £19/kg posted with little leaway on 2 or 3 kg but AA was 18 plus post. Oragel was higher.
Swings and roundabouts, caesins, albumen were cheaper whilst others like whole egg and pea protein isolate were higher.
If you were inclined to share 25kg sacks of short/extended shelf life or cat C caesins which they sold for fishing bait, it worked out at £6-8 per kg
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In reply to Post #10
I used Herring this year
I've never got lucky with deals for fitness protein discounts. Do Bacarel do them or are you getting them elsewhere?
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In reply to Post #5
Yes home rollers will be hit first but surely it will hit the bait makers in 6-12 months time when they run out of their current stock
If bait companies prices don't go up in the next 12 months surely it's a sign they are cutting down on quality ingredients
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In reply to Post #11
ooof ( or should I say Oeuf) supermarket egg prices!
Bumped into a chap I'd known for a while but lost touch with after he moved, gave me his card- heating, plumbing..'The Egg Man'.
I bought a few trays, cracked them into zip-lock bags and froze in lots for 1.5kg of base.
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In reply to Post #10
Nice. Like you, I have to keep an eye on the finished costs, ingredient and P+P to get smaller quantities, and real egg prices nowadays!
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In reply to Post #9
I went for Herring and Salmon this year, both rather pungent and turned the bait a bit darker.
Lower levels really, 25% with 8% milks, acid caesin ( Bacarel) and WPC- thank goodness for online fitness protein discounts.
Wish matey had given me the hydro-whey a few months earlter, might have been interesting.
Had it been available I'd have used some PD but seemed to work well enough with Brocacel and liver.
And yeah for sure even though I used HP milks final cost was heavily involved, £3 & pence 15 years ago v £6 per kilo of base now.
Same old protein ratios just less.
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In reply to Post #7
Re: old skool Premier Fishbase. due to costs, and supply nowadays, I very much doubt that any so called 'fishmeal' base mix or ready made bait contains 50% fishmeal nowadays, let alone 25% quality milk proteins 😱 most are rather pale ( less fishmeal , some are possibly as low as 10-25% fishmeal content ) this maybe due to being classed as a more all season bait... cough cough.
You cannot get Capelin meal anymore, I can only go on what I've personally used, but I rate the smell and taste of AA Baits Premium Salmon meal, as a close second choice.
*Newly sourced, Darker in colour.
This Salmon based fishmeal is of a higher quality than most standard fishmeals, being of higher meat quality and treated at reduced temperatures thus maintaining protein structure and content. At 67% protein level this is a great addition to any bait. Please be aware this darker coloured salmon meal is much higher quality than many available, the lighter coloured meal contains a much lower % of actual salmon and a higher % of white fishmeal.
Their newly sourced Sardine & Anchovy (LT) is a slightly darker fishmeal, that's quite nice as well, Good reliable service from them as always.
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In reply to Post #7
Could I tell what was in a ready made base mix from the smell or just looking at it?
Probably not, not likely to dip my finger into a bag and taste it but years ago I might have theorised.
The blurb always used to say high quality fishmeals including LT-94 and PDFM..didt say how much.
14-15 years ago I preferred S&A over LT94, and even back then shortages meant that LT prices had spiked
Not that I hadn't or didn't use LT94 but only at 7.5 with S&A , I thought what was available to be very pale and dry in the mix.
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